Beware of Craigslist Jerusalem West Africa Scam
My blood is boiling right now. And not because it’s a hot Israeli summer day without air conditioning. I am in apartment hunting mode – and I really mean hunting – vest, rifle, and all. I search at least 10 apartment websites every day and am desperate to find a good deal before someone else does. One of the sites I check is Craiglist and I saw a listing for ILS 2000 for a fully furnished 1 bedroom apartment on King George st. The pictures attached looked a little too stock photography/hotel – esque but when you’re desparately apartment hunting in Jerusalem and you see a deal like that, you can’t look away. I emailed the person who posted the ad asking about seeing the apartment and here’s what they wrote back: [“Stefano” dolphinbaby11@gmail.com]
Hi,
thanks for the message. I attached all the pics i have of the
apartment to show that it is fully furnished. I will be renting this
55sqm apartment out for 2000 ILS per month, all bills inclusive.The
apartment is located in the center of Jerusalem on “Hamalech George”
(King George), just three minutes away from “Ben Yehuda st”, two
minutes from the “Beit Hakneset Hagadol” and twenty minutes from “The
Kotel” (The Western Wall). Near Transportation, Shopping, SynagogueI am renting this apartment out because i am presently out of
Jerusalem, but you can reach me on 002348053001972. We can further
discuss details on phone. I am a volunteer for Anti-HIV campaign
programs in West Africa. I really hope that you will take good care of the apartment.
The utilities in the house are maintained from the rent. It is a
private apartment,all for you.The apartment was furnished to my taste and that is why i want you to
take good care of it as if it were yours. You can be rest assured that
the apartment will be available for your desired duration of stay if
you make a deposit payment now because i am not in town and will not
be there anytime soon. I did not entrust the apartment in the care of
any agent or anyone. The keys of the apartment are here with me.I will send you the keys and documents of the house once you make an
initial deposit.If you are interested in renting the house,i will send
you the application form so that i can have and verify your
information before renting out the apartment to you.Regards,
Stefano.
After telling a few people about the Craigslist listing, my suspicions were confirmed with people telling me they knew someone who fell for this scam, sent a month’s deposit, and never heard from the guy again. So, I looked in Google for “west africa craigslist scam” and sure enough found tons of people warning others not to fall for the scam.
As if this weren’t enough, I had also emailed another listing on Craiglist that had a fully furnished 2 bedroom apartment in Old Katamon. Surely enough, the guy wrote me about his family being in West Africa and when I sent a follow up email demanding to see the apartment first, he sent me the following: (notice that he says the apartment is on Kanfei Nesharim which is in Givat Shaul, not Old Katamon, and not even close):
The cost of the apartment per month ILS2000
the full address of the apartment is :kanfei nesharim street 20 jerusalem,israel youcan go there and see the place yourself and i am quite sure you will like the environment because it is very secured and safe.here is my cell phone number+2347064945797 contact me as soon as possible to know the lastest development so that i know when to contact my Lawyer and start to prepare the paperwork and then later Dhl the keys to the apartment to you after the deposit of the first month rent.Hope to hear from you soon..-JOHN DAVIES [revjohn44@gmail.com]
So please, please, warn others about this scam so that this guy does not get away with it!!
Here are some other links I found about the West Africa apartment scam:
- List of fake names and email addresses used on Craigslist
- Go West Africa – Craigs List Scam
- Craigslist Rental Scam
- Craigslist had a house for rent – owner claims be in West Africa
The Big Felafel 
This could have happened to me, too! I responded to the listing in Katamon, back in May. The listing was very vague so I asked for more details and got a LONG response, with the same thing about anti-HIV. I didn’t even notice the phone # being odd until now. I just decided I wasn’t interested in the area, so dropped it. Thanks for pointing this out, Big Falafel. Beware of scammers!
| Posted 13 years, 11 months agoThanks for commenting, Tova. At first I also disregarded it because I have 2 cats and couldn’t guarantee perfect condition. Only later did I start to get a whiff a giant scam preying on innocent apartment hunters!
| Posted 13 years, 11 months agoThat’s one horrible scam.
You should post on janglo to warn people.
| Posted 13 years, 11 months agoThis issue is so important especially now- sorry you had to almost be scammed to help others out. Also, make sure when you read things like this listing that you try to google their name to see if anything comes up!
| Posted 13 years, 11 months agoThank you for this article. I happened to read it yesterday while looking for housing in Tel Aviv. One of the landlords I contacted had the exact same note about the HIV/Africa excuse & I immediately knew it was bogus.
I appreciate your insight.
| Posted 13 years, 11 months agoThey are still out there! This one was just posted the other day. If it’s too good to be true, it probably is…
ILS2000 / 1br – Apartment in Jerusalem
Date: 2009-07-18, 8:56PM IDT
Reply to: hous-su56g-1276548762@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
I have an apartment in Jerusalem that i am not currently staying in. It will cost 2000Shekels per month. This 1 bedroom flat is furnished with good quality furniture and boasts new laminated wood flooring throughout. The accommodation comprises of storage space, eat-in newly fitted kitchen with all machines including cooker, oven, microwave, fridge/freezer and washer/dryer; a fully tiled contemporary bathroom and a separate WC.
An area of study, with WI-FI Internet service,telephone service, a hall-dining room and a kitchen totally equipped with electrical oven, microwave, washing machine, refrigerator, washing machine and dryer. Also it has a system of refrigeration and heating in all the apartment being able to enjoy the temperature you wish at any moment.
| Posted 13 years, 10 months agoI know! And recently, I got an email from a guy who claims that he is in London and his family is in Virginia. I wrote back saying to him that these scams break my heart. Haven’t heard back..
| Posted 13 years, 10 months agoAnother one
Rebecca thanks ALOT for all the tips
see what he wrote for this property
http://telaviv.craigslist.org/apa/1284420607.html
Hello,
Warm Greetings to you and your family. My name is CHRIS NORMAN the owner of the 1bedroom apartment you are making enquiring of and also want you to know that it was due to my transfer and also due to my wife’s Sickness that made us to leave the home and also want to give it out for rent and looking for a responsible person that can take good care of the home that makes me my wife and children to leave the house and also want to give it out for rent and looking for a responsible person that can take very good care of it as we are not after the money for the rent but want the property to be kept clean all the time as it is our hard-earned property. If you are honestly interested and will absolutely maintain my property (Taking care of it like yours) as i hope i can put my trust and confidence in you because I earlier wanted to sale the house but had a second thought to rather put it up for rent.I earlier wanted to sale the house but had a second thought to rather put it up for rent. Presently we are here in west Africa, our new house and put all my worries off concerning the maintenance of the home for, since i am not residing there for now.I left behind some Facilities and electonics which include the rent, and a DVD player, air conditioning, alarm system. The kitchen is fully equipped with all necessary cooking utensils, arefrigerator-freezer, four-hob and oven, microwave,dishwasher and washing machine, My Computer Connected with Internet Acess Also the keys to the House are right here with me, and the lease document. Which i can send to you after all necessary agreement has be accepted. Also i will like you to know that the rent charges is not really the issue,Hope you are okay with the price of 350Euro per month with hydro,heat laundry facilities,air condition and so on,but your absolute maintenance of my home is most important thing so will want you to get back to me with the Application form below.
Here is the home address :Address: 35 Shimon HaTarasi, Tel Aviv 62492, Israel … Pls note that you will be viewing the apartment from outside and the documents to the apartment are with me here in africa and It is located on a cool, quiet and safe neighbourhood.
*HERE HE PUT THE FORM*
Here is my phone number 0112348052270121 or +2348052270121 I will like you to give me a call on this effect to know how serious you are. I personally will actually come visiting you sometimes during the year as our new tenant.Looking forward to hear from you with all this details so that i can have it in my file incase of issuing the receipt in your name and contacting you.Await your urgent reply so that we can discuss on how to get the keys and the documents to you,please we are giving you all this based on trust and again i want you to stick to your words,We are putting everything into Gods hand,so please do not let us down in this property of ours and God bless you more as you do this.
Thanks & God Bless You.
CHRIS
what a f*****
| Posted 13 years, 10 months agoOn craigslist this guy told me he was in Nigeria working on some petroleum fields and that his name and his wifes name were Catherine and Terry Shaffner, I never met and African with a name like that, not trying to be stereo typical but its true. everything sounded kind of ok to me until he told me all utilities were paid thats when I started to do my homework. the house he wastrying to rent me was a 280,000 dollar house for 800 a month all utilities included…lol wayyyyyy to good to be true. but anyways his number is this +234-806-0778261 and +234-806-4695922
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoI’m a young professional working in Jerusalem.
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoThis situation happened to me in the past 3-4 days. The guy, supposed to be a Londonian, wrote in a very poor English…
I think, nobody will be so fool to send a security deposit without visit an apartment.
I also came across this scam on craigslist, just this very moment. Here’s what they wrote to me:
Thanks for mailing me about my house, I am currently on a mission to a country called South Africa,Central Pretoria and I came down with my family but am in Nigeria presently for certain purpose with the keys and the documents of the apartment, … . I need a Clean and upright person that will be able to take good care of the house and the person will make a payment of lLS2,000 please be informed this initial deposit will be deducted from the house rent. An appointment date will be agreed upon between us, this appointment day is day in which i will instruct someone to come and take you down to the apartment so as to give you the keys and all necessary documentation as soon as the deposit payment confirmed which you will be keeping in your possession as the true occupants of the apartment.We don’t know when we are going to return Seoul and from the look of things, me and my wife has decided to stay in Nigeria for sometime so as to help spread the word of God; we are looking at a period of 5 years, so get back to us as soon as possible so that we can agreed on a date you will be checking on the place, so please below are some certain information which you will be providing us.
Address…
175 yarkon st , tel aviv, lsrael
APPLICATION FORM
1)Your Full Name
2)Your Full Address & Phone Number
3)How old are you?
4)Are you married?
5)How many people will be living in the house?
6)Do you have a pet? pets are allowed
8)Occupation?
9) how long are you willing to stay
please the package that will be given to you will contain the following.
1) Entrance and the rooms Keys
2) Paper / Permanent house form (Containing your reference details)
3) The house documented file.
4) Payment Receipt.
5) Full address and description of the house.
So please let me know if this is okay by you so you so we can proceed
Thanks
Bezeherut!
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoLee, Nick, Alexandria. Filipe – thanks for the additional apartment scam info. Ugh.
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoWe nearly fell for this scam. Now it appears the scammers are getting sophisticated in that they locate persons advertising “room desired.” They take the “deal points” and then tailor a room for rent utilizing those attributes. Beware of photos with new looking (unlived in rooms, bathrooms, etc.) DON’T send any large deposits/rent without SOLID references. These guys used the tired Nigerian scam re:recent death/property left to Mom/Dad and thereby avoiding references. Also lacked a street address. Remember, anything that looks to good to be true…
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoIncidentally, DON’T reply to this address, “m_jmm@ymail.com” using the name Laura M. Williams and claiming that her father was an Embassy employee. Also, beware of “out of towners” who can’t meet you, furnish references, get to a FAX machine, etc. It’s all bullshit.
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoCarala, It all makes me so nauseas. Thanks for the heads up.
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoHey Rebecca! Miriam’s sister here. So funny. I googled, “apartment search Jerusalem” something like that and this post came up #5! 🙂 And yes, these bogus posts come up everywhere on craigslist. They’re terrible. I’ve written to one once when searching here in Vancouver. I’ve quickly learned to recognize when it’s too good to be true.
I’m moving back to Israel! So I need a job (prefer in writing) and a place to live (prefer a little bachelor suite close-ish to my parents. Keep me in mind. 🙂
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agowow – the whole family back together again! so nice! did you see the other post with the list of apartment websites? http://www.thebigfelafel.com/a-list-of-apartment-listings-in-jerusalem/ and this post for employment: http://www.thebigfelafel.com/employment-websites-in-israel/ Good luck with your move and let me know if I can help with anything else 🙂
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoNice info. my friend i liked the content of it. It does bring me out to do something.
| Posted 13 years, 9 months agoHello All,
The scammers have moved onto the Tel Aviv list. BE AWARE!!!! There is NO, NEVER and EVER a REAL “fully furnished apartment” for 1600 shekels (next to the embassies in Tel Aviv)!!!
The copy has been removed from Craiglist today, but the reply I received was “Torrey Hill” claiming that he and his wife had to leave Israel for missionary work in West Africa (+234 is Nigeria country code) phone numbers – +447024068717 or you can reach my lawyer at +2347059504886.
Warn your friends, tell your neighbours – if it acts like a scam, seems to good – IT IS!!
From: torrey Hill [mailto:torreyhill84@yahoo.com]
Sent: November-24-09 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Craigslist Ads – Furnished Apartement
Thanks for maling me about my house, I am currently on a mission to a country called United Kingdom,Mayfair,London but My wife is in west Africa for a purpose with our lawyer due to transfer she had in west Africa recently… .. I need a Clean and upright person that will be able to take good care of the house and the person will make a payment of ILS 1600 per month , please be informed this initial deposit will be deducted from the house rent. An apponitment date will be agreed upon between us, this appointment day is day in which i will instruct someone to come and take you down to the apartment so as to give you the keys and all necessary documentation as soon as the deposit payment confirmed which you will be keeping in your possession as the true occupants of the apartment.We don’t know when we are going to return to Israel and from the look of things, me and my wife has decided to stay in United Kingdom for sometime so as to help spread the word of God; we are looking at a period of 5 years, so get back to us as soon as possible so that we can agreed on a date you will be checking on the place, so please below are some certain information which you will be providing us.
Address…3 Adam HaCohen St., Tel Aviv 64585, Israel
APPLICATION FORM
1)Your Full Name
2)Your Full Address & Phone Number
3)How old are you?
4)Are you married?
5)How many people will be living in the house?
6)Do you have a pet? pets are allowed
8)Occupation?
9) how long are you willing to stay
please the package that will be given to you will contain the following.
1) Entrance and the rooms Keys
2) Paper / Permanent house form (Containing your reference details)
3) The house documetary file.
4) Payment Receipt..
5) Full address and description of the house.
So please let me know if this is okay by you so you so we can proceed
| Posted 13 years, 6 months agoThanks
Wow I am surprised that they are trying to scam people all over the world! I’m located in California in the United States and I’m currently apartment hunting and I got a strange response from someone who I had emailed and sure enough I googled his name/email and found all of these people from different areas of the country (now world) that they have been attempting to scam.
Here what I recieved from Mark James (markjames0088@yahoo.com)
Hi,
I did get your response concerning the AD I posted on craigslist. My name is Mark James.i am the owner of the apartment you are making enquiry of, and i also want you to know that it was due to my transfer that makes me and my wife and little daughter to leave the Home and also want to give it out for rent and looking for a responsible person that can take very good care of it while we are not at the state as we are not after the money for the rent but want it to be clean at the time and the person that will rent it to take it as if it were its own. So for now, we are here in West Africa ,in our new Home and put all my worries off concerning the maintenance of the Home, since i am not residing there for now. I left behind some Facilities and electronics which include the rent, DVD player, air conditioning, alarm system. The kitchen is fully equipped with all necessary cooking utilities, refrigerator-freezer, four-hob and oven, microwave, dishwasher and washing machine, my computer is connected with Internet access also the keys and document of the Home are right here with us in West Africa, and the lease document Which i can send to you after all necessary agreement has be accepted. Also i will like you to know that the rent charges is not really the issue, hope you are okay with the price of ($800 per month) in including utilities like hydro, heat laundry facilities, air condition, gas, water, Cable and so on, but your absolute maintenance of my Home is most important thing, if you are realy interested in renting this Home, fill the application below and get back to me with the answers.
______RENT APPLICATION FORM_______
Full Name__________________________________________________ Home Phone ( ) ________________________
Date of Birth_________________________________
Other Phone ( ) ___________________
Current Address_______________________________Apt#________ City__________________ State______ Zip________
Reasons for Leaving____________________________Rent $__________Phone ( ) ____________________________
Are you married____________________________
How many people will be living in the home____________________________
Do you have a pet____________________________
Do you have a car____________________________
Occupation____________________________
Move In Date____________________________
1 or 2 Month Rent Payment will be Deposit Down Now Before You Move in?____________________________
Reference Details_________________________
Pictures of all the Occupant that will stay in my home.
TAKE NOTE: YOU CAN ONLY DRIVE BY AND SEE MY HOME FROM THE OUTSIDE AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RENTING IT GET THE APPLICATION FORM FILLED OUT AND SEND IT BACK TO ME SO THAT I CAN SHIP MY KEYS TO YOU FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO GO AND LOOK AT THE INSIDE OR MOVE IN IMMEDIATELY. I WOULD HAVE REALLY LOVE TO SHIP THE KEYS TO SOMEONE IN STATE BUT I DON’T HAVE ANYBODY THERE RIGHT NOW AND I DON’T WANT TO MAKE USE OF ANY THIRD PARTY THAT IS WHY AM HANDLING MY PROPERTY MYSELF..
Address: 320 N Civic Dr
Walnut Creek, CA 94596
Monthly Fee: $800
Security Deposit: $600
Pets Allowed:
Available :Available Now for move in.
NB: I will like you to give me a call on this effect to know how serious you are in this rent.
+2348024017913
So pls get back to me today.
I await your reply ASAP
Seems to be basically the same but with a few different details. I wish I could punch this guy in the face.
| Posted 12 years, 1 month agoCindy, you should report this *bleep to Craigslist. For what it’s worth… Very very frustrating. If you find him, I’ll help you in the face-punching department.
| Posted 12 years, 1 month agoI almost fell for this scam. thanks for the blogging, thank god I search for it first, here is the e-mail i received today. this is a scam right?
my name is Mrs Katlin Murray and thank you for your interest in our apartment, as the unit is still available for long and short term purpose. Unfortunately just a couple of weeks ago, me and my family relocated to West Africa, due to the appointment of my husband for his new work. Never the less, there is not much to be concerned about as everything as been arranged for the transaction to go well, our only concern is to find a good and responsible tenant that will maintain and govern our apartment very well in our absence(The reason for the price been cheap). We want it to be clean and the person that will rent it to take it as if it were his or her own. The Apartment is located at : *** west 18th street, Manhattan, NY *****.
We left behind some Facilities and electronics which include the rent, and a DVD player, air conditioning,alarm system.The kitchen is fully equipped with all necessary cooking utensils, freezer, four-hob and oven, microwave, dishwasher and washing machine. Also the keys to the House are right here with us. Which we can send to you after all necessary agreement has been accepted. all we want is your absolute maintenance of our place is most important, i want you to get back to me with the application form below:
RENT APPLICATION FORM
1)Your Full Name?
2)Your Full Address & Phone Number?
3)How old are you?
4)Are you married?
5)How many people will be living in the house?
6)Do you have a pet?
7)Do you have a car?
8)Occupation?
9)When do you want to move in?
10)How long do you want to stay in my apartment?
11)Pictures of all the Occupant that will stay in my apartment?
We received a lot of emails but, they are not the kind of tenants we are looking for and we told them that we can’t rent it out to them because most of them are smokers and drinkers. the rent is $900 Per month No extra fee.
I am looking forward to read from you with all the details so that i can have it in my file in case of issuing the receipt to you and contacting you as i am very busy with work over here. I await your urgent reply so that we can discuss on how to get the keys and document to you.
Thanks and God Bless You
| Posted 11 years, 11 months ago——-
Jiny, most definitely a scam! Makes me want to punch someone.
| Posted 11 years, 11 months agoThanks for posting your story!! I just about fell victim to a VERY similar story. I found an apartment on Craig’s list in a very prime spot downtown in the city. A very cheap rent for the area especially furnished with ALL utilities included. The husband is a missionary in West Africa and the wife lives in a totally different province and has the keys. They were very detailed with their application and convincing with their story. I almost went ahead and was prepared to send money to the husband’s assistant but just didn’t feel completely right about it. So I was telling my friend about this AMAZING place I found but how I wasn’t sure. “Mr. and Mrs. Smith?” she said, “Really? Sounds like it’s too good to be true!” Luckily I have a friend that lives in the same city as the “wife” and was willing to meet her. I researched the number that I was given to me to contact the husband and I came across some scams associated with “West Africa” and “Craig’s List” and finally this posting. SO, thank you very much! I’m sorry that you had to go through this but you have helped out another person today!
Here are a couple emails from Mrs. Smith.
“Well it’s good to hear that you are interested in our apartment, and I really appreciate your expression. Below are the final questions that you must answer to qualify for the rent. The apartment is fully furnished as seen in pictures. The monthly rent is $590 and the security deposit is $200.
We do a long term and short term renting 6 Months – 2 years lease or more..
*******RENT APPLICATION FORM*******
(Private & Confidential)
Also,Pls let me get this answers.
1)Your Full Name
2)Present Full Address(where you reside now) & Phone Number to Reach You
3)Age
4)Are you married?
5)Sex?
6)How many people will be living in the house?
7)Do you have a pet?
8)Do you have a car?
9)What is your religion?
10)Occupation?
11) Citizen of which Country?
11) How Many Months Deposit ???
12) When are you ready to Move In ?
13) When are u planning to leave the flat ?
I look forward to hearing from you with all this details for approval so that i can take it further and discuss on how to get the documents and the keys to you,
Note: This transaction is based on Trust & Honesty so I want you to stick to your words, We are putting everything into Gods hand, so please do not let us down..
Thanks so much and have a nice day.
God Bless
Mrs Heather Smith”
“Overall We can see your willingness in this Flat. I want you to know that we’re satisfied with your profile and also believe we can trust you because we will not like to experience what we experienced from our last tenant again. I will like to know the exact date that you will like to move into the flat, l want you to be aware of the fact that you can stay in our apartment till the period of time which you wish to. Also, the rent fee is among the apartment
utilities all included. We will come and pay you a visit after you have moved into the home to see how you are maintaining it, Boyle will be receiving the first month and security deposit which will be total sum of $790($590 + $200) as a deposit via western Union. I wish you the best of luck in your work, from your profile l can see that you are responsible and hard working, may the almighty Lord lead you in what ever you wish to do.
Amenities…………………………………….# Bedroom : 1# Bathroom : 1# Extra Toilet : 1# Extra Guest Room: 1# Bed LinenAccommodation Features……………………………………………Wood Floor :Heater :Central Heating :Equiped Kitchen :Tv: Cable/Satellite TV:Video/Stereo:Internet :Air Conditioning:• Full Kitchen• Refrigerator:• Garage/Car park• pets allowed.Kitchen Features…………………. ………..Washing machine:Juice Machine :Iron :Toaster:Oven :Dishwasher :Coffee Maker :Microwave :Refrigerator:Stove:
As soon as the deposit payment has been confirmed by him via Western union, l will go ahead
and commence on how the flat keys/documents will be delivered to you via DHL courier service on next day delivery and it will be delivered to the address you provided in your application form. Let me hear back from you as soon as possible so that l can go arrange for the delivery of the keys/Documents. Once again we are giving you this apartment on trust so pls do not dissapoint us because we dont want it to be destroyed again.
Here are the contents that will be delivered to you via DHL courier service.
1) Entrance and the rooms Keys
2)Paper/Permanent Flat form(Containing your reference details)
3)The Flat documented file.
4)Payment Receipts.
5)Full address and description of the Flat.
My husband will like to talk to you,you can call him as soon as you get this mail his number is +2348139752181. Get back to me via email if you will need me to send you the information with which you will make the deposit payment via western union to
my husband’s secretary.
Thanks and God bless you… ”
When I compared the emails from the wife and the husband there just were too many inconsistencies. If something seems too good to be true, it probably is…
| Posted 11 years, 10 months agoHAPPENED TO ME TOO! IN ASHEVILLE, NC. thank you for making this website, or else I may not have found out. Adam HIll and family in West africa. i feel like a fool! i wrote a letter with a prayer for this person – to stop using the Lord’s name in vain and that He truly sees all injustice and hates it. I am praying for that guy right now.
| Posted 11 years, 3 months agoI almost fell for it too. he said he was in the UK for work that he would sent the key after a one month rent and the security deposit, he made a contract etc send me a copy of a passport, he said he was from canadia, the french part. but when he called me he had an very much african accent. also he changes the adds he puts online. first his name was patrice kelly martel or smth and now i saw the same one with the name John. SO BE CAREFULL! I caught him by his voice but also because he didnt want to show his face on skype..
| Posted 11 years, 1 month agoThank god I had a bad feeling about the house i was looking at in Indiana it is a Scam as well the exact info they wanted to as well as they were in west africa on missionary work, I just about to fall for the scam as well but not me i am not sure if i will ever trust anthing on craigs list if i do i will do extreme research before i do anything so just a heads up it is happening in indiana as well.
| Posted 10 years, 8 months ago